20% is social security, 20% is medicare and medicaid, 20% is defense, and about 13% is taking care of disabled and child tax credits and, of course, lunch programs and et cetera. then you add that, the interest on the debt, that's where the money is. so when these jackals are talking about other kinds of savings, they're just diverting the information away from the real programs that matter. how the heck can we just be ending the longest war in the history of this country and not be talking about serious cuts to defense? it doesn't make any sense. this has become silly talk. >> governor, you're making a lot of sense from where i'm sitting. i want you to talk about the we're going about making this decision, this negotiation with brinksmanship. is that a necessary evil in government or a kor roesive part of the process. >> no, absolutely not. this was created by congress themselves. they knew they didn't center ha discipline, so they created this fiscal cliff with the provision we're forced to do something later. you know, i don't know if you watched the old popeye stuff, but that's what wimpy